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 Post subject: Samento shows more promise than abx
PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:55 pm 
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I need badly to get rid of ehrlichia - I cannot take the any abx that kill it, because they kill me!

I just found a study (this study is not linked to Cowden or Nutramedix, I found it independently of it) and here is in part what it reads:

28 patients suffering from chronic Lyme disease, who had all tested positive for Borrelia burgdorferi on the Western blot test, were split into 2 groups. The control group received standard antibiotic therapy and the experimental group was given Samento. At the end of the study, of the 14 patients in the control group (antibiotic group), 3 improved slightly, 3 got worse and the rest had no change. In the Samento group, 85% tested negative for Borrelia burgdorferi when the Western blot was repeated, and all the patients reported a large improvement in their condition.

Interestingly Nutramedix Samento lists all co-infections are treated as well, read this: http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs ... red_Bs.pdf


A well known ILADS LLMD in NYC - has found that 70% of his patients did well on the Cowden protocol - which incorporates the Nutramedix line. He also said he did NOT find samento effective for Babesia in his patients.

Ironically, 70% is an average success rate of an LLMD using abx only for Chronic LD patients I have been told. (But one doctor said 30% success is average w/abx treatment :[ ) Buhner in his book says abx w/alternatives is the best way. :dizzy:

I am going to add samento and stay on abx and pray it kills the ehrlichia, if not, then I will try one of their other antibacterial's.

I have studied several natural protocols recently and the Cowden protocol seems like it has helped quite a few lymies.

BUT - one LLMD said to try Samento first and if no response is seen in 60 days, then do the entire Cowden protocol and many will see progress.

According to the LLMD in NYC - you can add these alternative meds to an abx regimen, but most see better results on the natural protocols minus the abx.

If anyone decides to try Samento (I already ordered it) you should inform your LLMD - the Samento & other products sold by Nutramedix are very powerful and many say they can only start w/ONE drop per day! One LLMD said 1/4 of a drop! How do you quarter a drop?????

We will see how it goes.....if it kills ehrlichia - I will be dancing in the streets!

For line of Nutramedix products and complete packaged Cowden protocol, you can read about it here. Interestingly, he has you detox w/every dose of antimicrobial if you read his protocol: Nutramedix website: https://www.nutramedix.com/store/comersus_index.asp

Cowden protocol in a nutshell: http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs ... cowden.pdf
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 Post subject: Re: Samento shows more promise than abx
PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:06 am 
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These are the TOA-free cat's claw herbs.
Also known as Uncaria - Heth has been on the whole herb (incl. POA and TOA) based on the science which is broader and has been duplicated by peer studies.

The whole herb, when grown and harvested properly and purely possesses tremendous benefits to the neurological system. Case in point. Heather Rose!

Those who do not have such a challenging case and heavy spirochete load respond well to the CowdernTOA-free. Others do not.

I do respect and appreciate his studies; but they were self contained and very limited.
I am friends w/his Nurse Practitioner who treats in our region and am grateful for discussions that acknowledge these things. She is a remarkable individual and I have referred several families their way based on the stage of their potential disease.

Were it not for our teaching doc; I would not have know there was more to understand about its benefits.

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that's interesting. I think either way we slice or dice it, cats claw/samento, etc, and all these other natural things have major benefits.
awesome! God put it here to heal us!

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 Post subject: Re: Samento shows more promise than abx
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The study of Samento was not linked to Cowden or Nutramedix, although Samento is part of his protocol - I know studies are in progress, I have no results of them.

It is true, when you study patients, it seems people who have done abx first (possibly lowering bacterial load) do better on Cowden. But not according to the ILADS LLMD who did his own study of patients - at least he didn't mention it.

Buhner (can't find my book at the moment) says in his book either/or that Samento (TOA free) or Cats Claw, it doesn't matter which. He does mention if Cats Claw is used he likes Rain Tree Cats Claw.

Either can be tried - but like abx, used long term - miracles cannot be expected.

Here are patient testimonals to Samento from Lyme to AIDS: http://www.health4youonline.com/samento ... onials.htm

Diana - I was just thinking about Cats Claw early this morning, I wanted to study the difference, do you have any links of studies etc?

For now anyone reading this, ask your LLMD about both and see what he prefers, if any at all.

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 Post subject: Re: Samento shows more promise than abx
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Diana, I have only used Samento. It's all I know. Where can I find info on which is a good whole herb to take or what is the difference. I don't seem to feel any different on the TOA-free Samento. Half of us use the samento and the other half Teasel.Thanks Gina


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 Post subject: Re: Samento shows more promise than abx
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Hi everyone- I was on Samento for about a month and it just wasn't a good fit -(my doc and i both decided)
I wasn't feeling any better at all - bad days no breaks (although i was also on artimisinin too)

He took me off the samento and put me on Cats Claw and
also took me off artimisnin and replaced it with chinese wormwood

I think this is much better for me!!


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 Post subject: Re: Samento shows more promise than abx
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Jen - what brand of Samento did you use? My sister did Cats Claw and said she had more progress on it then abx and more of a herx. Glad you found a good combo.

If Samento doesn't help on Nutramedix Cumanda, which is quite the buzz right now and Quina.

For those who don't know Samento is the same thing only TOA free. Also, Samento carries one of the same ingredients of the fluoroquinolone abx (Cipro, Levaquin, etc.) without the worry of being "floxed", I won't do the quinolones in case floxing is real and the "black box warning" the FDA has on them, but I will give Samento a try for at least 6 months. One thing mentioned in all articles is that anything natural should be used long term to see results.

Molly - if you see this, let me know if you did the entire Cowden protocol or just a few of the nutramedix products...if I remember right, you liked Cowden???

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Dana - i used the nutramedix samento

and now i am on the cats claw (by Medi Herb - Standard Process)
and i also take the Andrographis (by Medi Herb) - this is suppose to pass through the Blood Brain Barrier!!


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 Post subject: Re: Samento shows more promise than abx
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Hi Dana: I just saw this - sorry so late.

I originally started Samento about a year ago when I had plateaued on the Biaxin/Amoxy. I added 10 drops twice per day to the protocol and it worked very well for me.

Then in the spring I wanted to take a break from ABX so I did the entire Cowden protocol - the only products I didn't use were the ones for heavy metals (I already chelated metals and I'm on chlorella) and I didn't use Adrenal Support the entire time. I still use the Serra Peptasse to dissolve Fibrin.

Overall, I really liked the protocol and felt very good for the summer. I rotated Banderol instead of Quina because it's better for Bart. I did get very ill at the end of summer early fall - not sure what that was all about but I felt I needed to go back on ABX.

My opinion on treating this is that we usually need to try several approaches to get to all the nasty germs we harbour. Rifing and using my infra red sauna more frequently has been my saviour these days.

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Hi, Is cats claw and samento the same thing or is there a difference between them.

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I have used Cats Claw. I have also used Olive Leaf Extract that caused a BIG HERX. I guess that's good. I take breaks(2 weeks on 1 week off) on the olive leaf cuz its so potent. I stopped the Cats Claw a while back, it was all to much.
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Samento is the TOA free form of Cats Claw. I wish I could explain more! Maybe Diana will see this - she knows the dirty details.

Some think Samento is better and others prefer Cats Claw.

My Dr. uses Samento (nutramedix) but I've never asked him about the differences.

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 Post subject: Re: Samento shows more promise than abx
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Krissy - Oh, stick with Olive leaf extract! I use Olive Leaf Extract daily, I added it to my regimen a few months ago. I had what felt like flu-like symptoms at first, now I believe it actually is relieving some pain! I LOVE OLE!!
Have you read all that it kills? I have a link here, check this out: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=638
And there is a great book, really good reading about everything OLE kills. The Olive Tree in the bible was called "The Tree of Life" - I totally believe it! Here is the book well worth buying: http://www.amazon.com/Olive-Leaf-Extrac ... 039&sr=1-1

Johnny - Yeah, Cats Claw and Samento are slightly different, like Molly said Samento is TAO free. TOA alkaloids in Cats Claw interfere with desired immune modulation. Sort of personal preference - I think Lymies have found success with both. I am starting w/Nutramedix Samento soon. Click on the Nutramedix link above in my first post and see what their Samento kills.

I found this post at another forum very interesting about her use of Nutramedix products:

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Hi I have been taking samento started the end of February. I find samento works a well as the doxycycline did for me. Samento for 12 days off for 12days then samento again.Samento sould only be taken 12 days at a time as I under stand. I am starting to take cumanda for 12 days 1 1/2 off samento for 12 days 1 1/2 days off cumanda again (lyme borreliois treatment protocol ) One of the most impressive benefits of cumanda is its antifungal action.Cumanda is very effective in treating the borrelia burgorferi bacteria and practitioners are now using it in conjunction with samento to treat lyme disease.(nutrition-heath-supplements co uk) Some researchers believe that samento maybe as much as 1000 times more effective than cats claw. One difference between samento and cats claw is that cats claw is an immune system stimulant and samento is an immune system modulator.

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