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 Post subject: Yeast, maybe
PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:21 pm 
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Hi all!

I trust the summer has been good to you and yours. I had a wonderful vacation, my two teens each went on ministry projects this summer (one in New orleans and the other in Down town Denver) and we are now getting geared up for the start of the school year. I can hardly believe how time flies (school starts and ends early here).

I finish the course of Isonioside for the Cpn this month. The wheezing stopped some time ago and I am assuming the pneumonia is cleared up. I am so happy to be dropping back to three antibiotics. I think we do the CD57 again soon as well.

Nevertheless, I think I may be developing yeast in my stomach. I have had stomach issues especially after eating certain foods. My doctor is already planning on starting me on dyflucan next month, "just in case". So what do you think? Do I need to call him and get it started sooner. I don't seem to have any other symptoms. I read about the morning spit test on line. I am going to try that. Anyone else had their stomach after eating??

Thanks for listening.

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 Post subject: Re: Yeast, maybe
PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:33 pm 
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Hi M!

Well if it is truly only in your intestines Nystatin might do the trick. Diflucan is great, it crosses the blood brain barrier. Beware that it interacts with many medications so make sure to check it against everything you take. I check at http://www.drugs.com they have a link at the top "Drug interactions Checker" that you enter your medications and they give specific interaction information on.

Diflucan is being used for Lyme too. In Europe (I believe it is Europe) there is an LLMd who uses 50 days of Diflucan 100mg per day. Then stops it and puts his patients on a narrow spectrum penicillin (not amoxi, too wide spectrum) for 30 days and then does Diflucan again ...he repeats this 3-4 times and it is getting people well.

In Buhner's book he mentions that after all treatment had failed for a select group of patients they put them on 200mg of Diflucan for 45 days and they recovered completely....after a year follow up they all were still well.

Diflucan has found a place in Lyme..they don't know exactly what it does to the spirochetes, but it does something amazing.

Don't forget to check interactions! Nystatin is for "gut" yeast only and does not cross the BBB and is a little safer on the liver, make sure to have blood tests on liver once per month while on Diflucan.

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Dana

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 Post subject: Re: Yeast, maybe
PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:15 pm 
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Hi Purple Tulip!! So glad things are looking up for you.

My son has that stomach thing a lot after eating.

I remember taking Nystatin about 25 years ago (when I first realized 'something' was wrong with me). Please tell me they have it in a better form than that awful yellow powder you used to have to take by the spoonfuls. I do remember though that, combined with a no-yeast diet, a fogged lifted off my brain and I had great energy. I will always remember that. But I just couldn't keep taking that AWFUL powder.


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 Post subject: Re: Yeast, maybe
PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:11 am 
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Hmmm....I wonder if I should ask for Nystatin, I never did because I figured I'd wait until I was done with treatment and ask for Diflucan. But who knows when treatment will end.

Nystatin doesn't interact with as many medications either...it is safer all the way around, but like I said does not cross the BBB. If systemic yeast is suspected then Diflucan is the one.

During the LLMD conference I watched, most put patients on Nystatin during treatment, then after treatment, up to 45 days of Diflucan - neither of my LLMd's recommended it...I think that isn't too smart on their part.

Yes...Nystatin comes in a tablet! Ugh, powder sounds horrible! See: http://www.drugs.com/imprints.php?actio ... &I1=Search

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 Post subject: Re: Yeast, maybe
PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:25 am 
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Good Morning!

At last visit my doctor discussed diflucan as the next course of action. Maybe he is aware of the positive benefits for lyme. But he has been concerned that I have been on antibiotics for two years. He also said I may herx from the diflucan. But if I don't the next month he will put me on a maintenance dose.

I am going to try a modified version of the diet. I don't do well when I don't eat so I am going to ease into it. Can you drink coffee?? I have read no.

I am feeling well overall. The long trip to the East (Colorado - Chicago - PA) was so much fun and one of the best vacations ever for our family, but I may still be recovering. I am tired. But nothing like I used to be!! I am so thankful.

Recently I have developed pain in my left hand. Its my thumb joint near my wrist. This disease is soooo weird. The transient joint pain is such a mystery. When I was first diagnosed my index finger was so sore I could hardly use it. Now it is as free as ever. I have had some joint pain in the left hand in my middle finger, but not very painful. This is a sharp reminder that "Its still here".


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 Post subject: Re: Yeast, maybe
PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:43 pm 
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I have been on abx 2 years now as well and worry about yeast, but I have been very good about taking my probiotics in quite high doses. I pray that has protected me, because neither LLMd I have seen is concerned about yeast, which bothers me.

One of my LLMD's said yeast is an issue if you have diahrrea.

Stomach pain for me was H.pylori. Although I tested negative, my LLMD treated me anyway and my stomach problems resolved.

I still want to do Diflucan or Nystatin - yes you can herx....but I know a girl who takes Diflucan daily and she swears she sleeps better and couldn't go through this without it. So..again, everyone is different.

I have had joint pain in my middle finger on my left hand lately, it really hurts. Most of my pain has been on the left side and started there too..although it spread to the right side, the left is more intense usually. Living w/this for so long now, when something new pops up like this finger joint pain, I know one thing, it will disappear. Over all in 2 years I have not come as far as many likely would - I think I need IV, even though I know that is no guarantee.

After 5 months on Bicillin (and a 5 month herx that went with it) I am taking a "break" and doing orals...orals are deceiving, I would think I was near well, but Bicillin really lets you know the bacteria is alive and well. I am going back on the shots soon.

Let us know how Diflucan works for you please!

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 Post subject: Re: Yeast, maybe
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Hey, P.T.

I got up to 200mg of Diflucan daily until I went on Cowden in the spring. I also took LiverCare by Himalaya (formerly Liv52) and my Liver Enzymes were fine. I was on it a total of almost two years. Started with a couple a week and eventually it was a daily dose.

My Dr. also believes that it treats Lyme.

I never had any issues with it and will go back on it when I return to ABX in Sept/Oct.

Good to hear from you!

Many Hugs

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 Post subject: Re: Yeast, maybe
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Thanks for all the posts. Tuesday the collicky pain after eating got so annoying that I called the doctor. He prescribed diflucan. The pain subsided, but I could tell there were still issues.

Yesterday, I took the day off (I think I was herxing from the diflucan) and began searching on line for info on yeast die off. I came across an article on starting a yeast diet with a detox. It included something I could do since I was home all day. Sea Salt water dissolved in hot water with lemon juice. You were to sip on it like tea. Within an hour I was running to the bathroom!!! Oh my! In two hours I was empty and no more pain. I felt so cleansed, I was afraid to take my meds and mess it up!

I have been eating according to the yeast diet. I have read all kinds of interesting things about candida. Did you know cloves are deadly to yeast? I love clove. I really need to go to the store since I don't have too much here to eat. Other than that I feel soooo much better.


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 Post subject: Re: Yeast, maybe
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I've been on the yeast diet in earnest from last Thursday and have lost almost 5 pounds! I had put on about 8 to 10 since I really went down hill about 2 1/2 years ago. Perhaps I needed to completely purge from sugar. I am feeling pretty good. I do think my blood pressure is a bit low (or maybe it's low sugar) but I feel kind of light headed from time to time.

I am still taking 4 different antibiotics but preserve the diflucan for night time. I hope I am making progress. I ate a tiny peice of french fry tonight and my stomach told me the storm is not over yet!!

Dana, I am so sorry you are not well. I trust the lesions are nothing new but will only prove helpful in the end to your getting well.


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 Post subject: Re: Yeast, maybe
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Thanks PT,

I will survive, if it is the last thing I do! ha!ha!

Which abx are you still on? Is Diflucan giving you a herx at all?

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 Post subject: Re: Yeast, maybe
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Hi Dana,

First I want to ask if the lesions always mean lyme? Could it have another meaning? I hope you are feeling better by now from the side effects of the examine.

I herxed the third day on diflucan. That seems to be a pattern with me that I can count on. I took the day off to rest my aching body when I read about the purge before the diet. I tell you it really helped both to detox from the herx and the sugar. I didn't crave sugar so much after that day. I think I am still herxing from the difluc. My muscles are weak and achey, but better than they were the "third day"

I continue on Amox 1000mg twice a day. Azith (one half) on Mondays Wednesdays and Fridays. Flagyl one tablet a day and tomorrow I finish the 4th month and final dose of Isoniazid (INH)! I take the diflucan at night before I go to bed. I am thinking it has all night to kill of the little yeast guys while I sleep without any interference from the antibiotics.


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